Interview: Ossivorous Oose of TRC

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In our last post, the GrumpyVamp team brought you the official statement from Alexia of The Red Cellar. I’d like to take a moment to thank her for providing clarification of TRC’s stance on these issues. It’s an important counterpoint to my last article and I hope everyone will take time to read it. But she’s not the only person on the TRC staff who was called out in the document presented in The “Med” Sang Menace.

I reached out to the TRC admin team for their comments and I was fortunate enough to be able to interview Ossivorous Oose, who is the other leader referenced in the infamous document. It is my privilege to be able to present their take on the situation to the GrumpyVamp audience.


Sylvere ap Leanan: Thank you for taking time to speak with us. Please introduce yourself.

Ossivorous Oose, affectionately, though misleadingly, called Leader No.2 in the document.

SAL: As we know, nothing happens in a vacuum. In your own words, please describe the events that led up to the creation of the document authored by Spooky, Jamie and the Unknown Editor that claims to be for the purposes of “Addressing the Internal Infrastructure, within ‘The Red Cellar’ for the Support of Sangs Reflections, Discussion and Future of the MedSang movement”.

OO: What tied the proverbial knickers in a knot? Well, to be honest, the actual moments of catalyst are severely disappointing when paired against the ridiculous level of outrage implied by the writers of the document. Ultimately, I think those involved with this repulsive word salad / shit bomb had the wrong idea of how TRC is run, what it’s actually about, and also of their own importance within the group itself. Perhaps they were disappointed that it’s not some sort of elite social club of selective sang supremacy?

SAL: It has been suggested that one author is primarily responsible for the content of the document and that the others contributed very little, if anything, to its content. Do you believe that suggestion is accurate? If so, who do you believe to be the primary author of this document?

OO: I feel that Spooky was the main culprit behind the whole ridiculous affair, from initial instigation, to the actual drafting of the document. That being said, however, I do believe that Jamie was in complete compliance with the disturbing stance and what was eventually written down. Going back in the chat logs of our server, I can see the hate filled gospel begin churning months ago. With both of them. If Jamie didn’t significantly contribute by way of actual conception, she was certainly down with and willingly subject to indoctrination.

SAL: How large a contribution do you think the other authors made to the document?

OO: Without further evidence, it would be difficult for me to make clear judgement on the amount of content contributed by the individuals involved. That being said, however, a good amount of guilt by association is reasonable, I think, especially when one considers the inherently offensive and hateful bile that made up the core of the document.

SAL: One of the co-authors has claimed that this document was stolen, edited, and subsequently leaked by a third-party proofreader for some malicious purpose. Do you believe this claim has merit? What are your reasons for that belief?

OO: To be honest, I don’t buy the “document was edited!” shtick. They released the document to several themselves in failed pursuit of finding support for their agenda. I believe these claims to be a desperate attempt at saving face and back-peddling, which is a tactic they both employ often when confronted with any sort of push back. The document was meant for circulation. I think that’s quite clear to see.

SAL: According to one of the co-authors, this document was created because the TRC staff has an obligation to listen to any and all suggestions, concerns, and other feedback from the general membership, otherwise, they are dictators. This same author insinuated that the TRC admin team is also obligated to implement policies based on that feedback. What are your thoughts about this?

OO: We are not under strict obligation to listen to all grievances and, furthermore, retain the right to moderate our space as we see fit. We don’t make decisions lightly, bow to so-called popular opinion of the GVC, nor operate out of any attempts at being oppressive overlords. We hold the right to judge situations & people through personal interaction, and deal with dangerous content / individuals in ways we find appropriate.

Contrary to what the document wants people to believe, our actions are decided as an administrative team and stem directly from the need for fairness, accuracy, and safety. If a member becomes abusive, supports an unsavory agenda, or spews hateful propaganda, how can they logically expect us to be receptive to what they have to say?

SAL: In her guest post on GrumpyVamp, Elizabeth Hopka included a statement of apology attributed to co-authors Jamie and Spooky. Do you accept the apology? Since the apology extends beyond the borders of TRC, do you think the GVC as a whole should accept it? What is your reasoning for this opinion?

OO: I acknowledge the attempt in atonement, however, considering the character of those involved, I find neither sincerity, nor comfort in it.

Honestly, I’m not interested in shotgun apologies. I just hope that those involved with this deluded vitriol take a very good look at who they are, what they’ve done, and why they did it.

SAL: As a member of the TRC staff, you are expected to uphold the established policies of the server. However, in your personal opinion, do you agree with the current direction of TRC or would you prefer it to go another route?

OO: I agree with it entirely. Our current direction is something the administrators have come to collectively after a great deal of toil and dialog. Admittedly, we haven’t always been easy to get along with. Many of us come from difficult GVC situations that, I think, negatively skewed our overall point of view in the past. Being decent to others in no way challenges our core concepts or integrity. If having people with different beliefs around challenges your own self-image, I think that’s a personal issue, and need to evaluate your true motives at that point. Our current direction, if anything, makes it easier for us to help those who are in need.

SAL: What do you want readers to know about TRC, in general?

OO: Our mission is to support blood drinkers, not be judgmental, hate propagating piles of stinking excrement.

So there you have it. The two leaders who were called out have spoken. It sounds to me like TRC is just as horrified by that steaming pile of bovine excrement as anyone else. And it also sounds like they are genuinely attempting to do something positive for the GVC, regardless of how an individual self-identifies. For those who perceive a need to consume blood for the health benefits it gives, The Red Cellar is one of the top resources for information and support. Check them out.
Editor’s Note: Previously, this article mistakenly used incorrect pronouns for Ossivorous Oose. It has been updated to correct this error.
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Guest Post: Alexia of The Red Cellar Speaks

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Greetings, Gentle Readers. Today, GrumpyVamp has the pleasure of bringing you a guest post from Alexia, founder and administrator of The Red Cellar website and Discord server. As promised, this post is the official statement from TRC addressing the recent attempted coup on their Discord server, the document presented in our previous article The “Med” Sang Menace, and clarifying TRC’s position.

By now, Gentle Reader, you know the drill. Long post is long. Long post needs to be long to do it justice. Long post is well worth your time. Read it. You won’t regret it.

In truth, GrumpyVamp is delighted that Alexia was willing to make this guest post, and would like to extend Grumpy’s sincere thanks for taking time out of her busy schedule to draft it. Note to readers: Alexia is originally from the U.K. so there are a few words spelled in accordance with British English rather than American English conventions. It’s not a typo and, therefore, has not been corrected. So let’s get to it, shall we?

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TRC Official Statement

Where do I begin? It’s hard to know where to start with such a dumpster fire as the document shown in “The Med Sang Menace”.

Recently, The Red Cellar had to deal with a coup attempt. The authors say it was not a coup and that it was to trigger discussion. If it was just for discussion, why was a manifesto spread in secret to many people including the line “this can be spread to the GVC”? Further, what makes the authors think that they have a right to try and force the hand of the administration team? The individuals involved were told the issue had been discussed, decided, and to drop it. They chose not to and instead disseminated the document in secret. The attacks on vulnerable people and bigotry is not what TRC is about.

Before I get into the body of the document and make my comments, I first want to clarify the position of The Red Cellar. This has been discussed and agreed with all administrators present in our Discord server, so I am not speaking only on behalf of myself. TRC was made to be a welcoming space. The division of opinion on otherkin and therians, along with supporting those who are vulnerable, is what led to the creation of the document to begin with. One of our administrators identifies as otherkin and runs a therian/otherkin group. Those who know me recall that Syrf was one of my close friends before she passed; she identified as a cat therian (as well as med sang) and helped me to understand these different identities. Simply put, psi, otherkin, therian, whatever, it isn’t relevant to TRC. If you feel you need blood, we are here to help. We have no place commenting on other aspects of your identity – it’s your business how you identify, not ours. Considering any group a “cancer to be purged” goes against all we stand for. It reeks of hate and fascism. No sentient being should ever be treated that way. Respect and approaching from a place of mutual understanding is key.

Given the amount of content I have to get through, I’m going to go ahead and get started.

No one is a ‘torchbearer’. To call oneself that and to tell everyone to sit down is in itself narcissistic. No one is required to listen. Someone is not required to sit and have a discussion. The Red Cellar operates in a democratic fashion, with key decisions being discussed and voted on by our group of administrators. I am more than happy to listen to concerns; however, decisions are made as a group and when someone is told to DROP an issue after repeatedly breaking server rules, that goes well beyond what is appropriate.

I have never heard the term “EMWs” or heard it used to identify psi persons. As for Species Dysphoria, this part of the document essentially dismisses half of the GVC and all Otherkin. TRC’s Discord server does have a rule to not discuss metaphysics except for in Off Topic. That is not because TRC discriminates against psi. It is simply because there are many other servers for it and it is not the focus of the group – the focus is sanguivory, blood drinking and anything and everything to do with blood drinking from a medical, physiological perspective. Metaphysical issues are outside the scope of TRC, and we are simply not equipped to provide proper support for them. That said, there is NO rule banning anyone of identities beyond ‘med sang’ joining the group. The core focus is to support blood drinkers. Sanguivory is not a medical diagnosis. The only thing we have to go from is our own anecdotal experiences. If this is a physiological issue, people can still interpret that in many different ways. Some may practice some form of magick or have esoteric/occult interests. Some may hold a belief in metaphysical energy. Some may do neither. The point is, it is not someone’s business what someone else believes, practices, or identifies as. If they need support with sanguivory, we will provide it; be they Otherkin, med sang, sanguinarian, hybrid, whatever. We are also human beings. We do not turn away those who are questioning. We do not turn away psi who have come to our server and enjoy the human support we can provide. We can still maintain our focus while staying true to our core focus of support for physiological blood drinking. Sanguivory isn’t easy to deal with. Many of us grew up with it alone and suffered greatly for it. Now, people don’t have to. I don’t give a sh*t what their identity is if we can contribute to make things safer for both blood drinkers and donors thanks to our own experience; then we’re doing things right. I will not segregate TRC and section ourselves away from those who can benefit. That is a mistake I believe we made years ago.

Given the document was written by a self-admitted sociopath, I am not surprised that the next part of the document then proceeds to blame YOU for your feelings of disgust and outrage when reading it. The author is willing to take no responsibility for the utter garbage that proceeds to flow from their mouth despite being the one writing it. There must be a ‘rational reason’ for your outrage. Not because, y’know, you’re a human being with feelings. I can smack someone in the face and call them a c*nt; if they get upset though, it’s on them because they are the only one controlling their body. Right? *eyeroll*

I do not need to elaborate too much on a sociopath’s view of altruism. Of course, if you don’t understand or feel emotions well, you may assume everyone is doing things for personal gain because it is a projection of the sociopath’s own inability to connect to any motive except selfishness.

The document then proceeds into psychobabble. I’m not going to go too deeply into this. The author of this document likes to play armchair psychologist despite having no understanding of human emotion on a personal level. TRC is a support group. We offer peer support for blood drinkers. I grew up dealing with my sanguivory on my own. I was isolated and it was absolutely terrifying. I’ve lost a best friend to suicide. This is not an easy thing to deal with at all. It is my passion and deep care for blood drinkers that pushes me to do what I do – and to stick with it despite t3h dramaz. As such, that is why I am so focused on a caring, warm environment. The GVC can be harsh. We need a safe space for physiological blood drinkers to be. We have plenty of channels – there’s enough space for everyone. That’s why TRC has a ‘support chat’ and ‘off topic’. There are a lot of places for blood drinkers. We even have a private room for long-time members. The intent of the document was to challenge our focus of support and say we should be restricting our ‘borders’ to ‘true sangs’; whatever that is.

I do not care for segregation. There can be boundaries, certainly, and there should be. But we share people, we are neighbours. Without that, people don’t find us and our resources become useless. As I mentioned before, people who drink blood come from many practices, identities, and beliefs. All are welcome. A lot of people come in to simply learn about sangs. We have all kinds of people coming in, from those who are questioning whether they need blood themselves, to those who are simply curious. We have rules that maintain the focus of physiological and medical blood drinking. We do not need to play gatekeeper and kick people out for not having the same beliefs or views as us. Doing that leads to an echo chamber. It does not represent who I am as a person. I am a tolerant, inclusive person. I no longer want conflict with the GVC to turn me into something I’m not.

That’s not to say we keep people who are toxic. There have been incidents where an individual turned every issue to be about them, threatened suicide, among other things to the extent where members didn’t feel comfortable or safe discussing their own issues. That person was removed in time. That decision rests with the administrators of the server and it is up to us to decide where that line is. Members can have and can raise concerns, but there are boundaries. When you are trying to force someone’s hand and make personal attacks on the group and its members, that is far beyond what is acceptable.

Medication

The author of the document is not a doctor. Note the document says ‘prescription’ drugs. If a doctor has deemed it necessary for their patient to be on a certain medication, that person should not be shamed for it. Mental health is a sensitive issue. No one should be shamed for needing medication to manage their health issues. Medication can be life saving. This paragraph only seems to further illustrate the callous nature of the writer. It speaks to their views about tr00 l33t sangs – “contributing to the illusionary inclination of blood need”. Who is *anyone* to tell someone whether they need blood or not? That is down for the individual to decide. Sanguinarian is defined only as someone who ‘needs’ blood to maintain their health. If someone feels they need it to maintain their mental health, I do not feel they should be degraded or treated as lesser than someone who needs it to maintain their immune system. It is quite possible that mental health issues or medications can exacerbate or suppress sanguinary symptoms. That is one thing we endeavour to find out. The brain has significant physiological side-effects on the rest of the body. Mindfulness meditation has benefits that can be seen on an MRI.

Blood *is* a medication to some and many perceive it that way. It isn’t a panacea. However, it is taken regularly to prevent health degradation which manifests various symptoms. If you only use it for additional nutrition, can it be said that perhaps you have an illusionary inclination of blood need because you don’t truly need it? I don’t personally care why someone says they need it, but those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Blood is nutritous and is used around the world, both in cooking and as a health supplement. Nutrition IS medicine. In fact, blood has been used as medicine for a long time. A great book on the subject is “Mummies, Cannibals and Vampires: The History of Corpse Medicine from the Renaissance to the Victorians”. That said, blood in my view is a desperate measure and it is dangerous to suggest people take blood in lieu of following up with medical professionals. One should never stop following up with medical professionals because something insidious could be lurking under the veil of ‘sanguinarian’. If that makes us pill-popping because we continually seek to learn more about our condition and do follow up through the correct channels, perhaps the disdain for networking with doctors is far more dangerous than someone off-the-cuff referring to blood as ‘medicine’. There is nothing wrong with saying what medicine worked for you and recommending someone look into it. That person is not a doctor. The individual cannot access the medicine unless it is discussed with their doctor and their doctor believes it is right for their situation and treatment plan. This goes on in peer support groups for all manner of things – from sanguivory to MS and fibromyalgia. This further demonstrates the author’s social ineptitude and lack of understanding of how peer support works. If a doctor’s prescribed medication causes someone to be hospitalized, that is the result of an incompetent doctor. Also note that the authors disbelieve that any sanguivore should need medication if they have enough blood. Blood to them is apparently some miracle cure-all for all ailments.

As for Huel, is there a problem with that? It is called a POSITIVE PRODUCT REVIEW. Google it. Many sanguinarians experience digestive maladies and cannot properly process food, leading them to be malnourished and consequently causing a worsening of their symptoms. Huel was recommended to provide something that a sanguinarian could digest but still meet all of their nutritional requirements leading to improved health. If they think that this is malicious ‘suggestive’ behaviour, it only goes to demonstrate how sick the writer is. Oh wait, that’s right – there is no altruism, everything is selfish in the eyes of a sociopath – not trying to improve the sanguinarian’s quality of life through enhanced nutrition.

Soft language comes next. I do not believe this is a ‘problem’ in TRC. It is basic human decency to watch what you say to people and avoid offense when possible. That is the cornerstone of respect and human kindness. To someone without empathy, I can see where this could be seen as an issue. In a support server, people can be in bad places. Members will not feel comfortable expressing themselves or seeking help if someone constantly jumps down their throat and is rude. That is something I personally don’t tolerate. People don’t need a ‘blanket’. If someone wants to support a member, that’s on them. If you don’t like it, don’t get involved. If it becomes excessive, the admin team will address it. Not your call to make.

“Woo” hasn’t been used by TRC for a good while. It is seen as derogatory and condescending to some of our members and their beliefs. Perceiving your blood need as physiological isn’t mutually exclusive with other kinds of beliefs and practices. Talking down to others in such a way makes med sangs appear hostile and disrespectful. It alienates a good portion of our member base.

Again, it is down to TRC to decide what the scope of support offered by TRC is. If you don’t like it, look away. There haven’t been instances of something not being ‘contained’; rather, there have been instances of someone seeking support, an admin taking time to try and calm them down, and then the two authors of the ‘document’ being condescending, rude, and callous. I shit you not when I quote “I will send digital roses to your grave” when someone was trying to get help. Not only cruel comments like that, but trying to psychoanalyze with Wikipedia level skill and questioning/doubting people’s experiences. If you want to act like a c*nt, go do it on your own servers and see how well it goes.

Peer support doesn’t require ‘skills’ – that is the nature of peer support groups. The biggest liability comes with trying to psychoanalyze people without qualifications as the main author of this document likes to do.

Ref:

https://www.samhsa.gov/recovery/peer-support-social-inclusion

I will not elaborate too much on the ‘Species Dysphoria’ comments as this has been expanded upon by Blacklight in his excellent rebuttal article.

TRC does not ‘play doctor for political standing’. Anyone who perceives TRC to be about that is clearly projecting their own agenda. TRC has *never* been about that. We are there for support for blood drinkers, for information, and for scientific inquiry into sanguivory. Political agendas have never been part of what we do; to the contrary, that is the objective of the authors of ‘the document’ and they have been playing political games for many months now. The decision to be more inclusive was after much soul-searching and a realization that past approaches were not conducive to our overall goals. That we alienated people who needed our help. That people did not feel safe referring people to us. Again, we are a support group. We do not offer medical advice. We share experiences and are a shoulder for anyone going through a rough time. We are one of the few specialized groups for blood drinkers and the role we play is crucial. I will not have our support compromised for anyone. As for ‘grave legal ramifications’, it is funny that the author talks of liability yet they are clearly not an attorney. We do not diagnose. We do not contradict medical diagnoses. We do not offer step-by-step recovery programs. We listen and we share experiences. You know, like every other peer support group in the world.

The Direction of Med Sangs

Past

Infamy was never the intent of previous debates with the Vampire Community. The med-sang ‘movement’ or ‘community’ has changed a lot over the last few years. Nor was the intent to show psi that ‘they lacked rationality’. Let me clarify that the two authors of the ‘document’ were not part of the med-sang community during the time that they are talking about. They are in no position to talk about our history or why we did what we did. They entered the community in 2018 after our ‘direction’ had already changed. The justification for our arguments with psi in the past was that many of us felt it was omnipresent, that non-metaphysical methods were traditionally shouted down and that we had to show that it was okay to see your condition from a physiological perspective and not practice any metaphysics. Some argued that proximity to the Vampire Community made us less credible to researchers. Others wanted little to do with self-identified vampires and so the decision was made to separate. It was never about division and hatred; we simply wanted to do the best for ‘our people’. Despite how wrong I believe it to be now, back then, I felt I was genuinely doing the right thing and fighting for our right to be heard, to let others know it was okay to perceive their sanguivory that way, and to build a safe space for them to do so. In the end, I still feel that was accomplished, but that the approach taken did significant damage to our ability to help blood-drinkers overall.

Present

The creation of the TRC Discord did not mark a new approach, nor did it mark us for the first time as a quantifiable group. We had been known for years already (how could we be infamous if we weren’t a quantifiable group?) and the Discord server was simply another avenue for us to provide outreach and support. The new approach was already adopted at this point. For reference, please see this article which clarified the new approach and when (and this has only continued to evolve):

Ex Meis Cineribus Renascor – Sanguivores, Med Sangs & Vampires

The focus of Sangs getting support in TRC has not changed. It is for blood drinkers by blood drinkers. That doesn’t mean we will shun anyone who is not. There are plenty of outlets in the TRC Discord server for sangs to talk about their issues. “General-Sang”, “Lampreys” and “Support” being but a few. Just because other-identified persons sometimes need support does *not* mean we have lost our focus; just that we are decent human beings who want to help other people if they come to us.

We are not in a position to judge who is a ‘genuine sang’ or not. Who is anyone to judge who is ‘legit enough’ to be allowed in? None of us have any evidence that we need blood. None of us know why we are this way. Playing ‘more sang than thou’ is exclusionary, elitist and undermines the focus of supporting blood drinkers.

We are not searching for ‘credibility as med sangs’. We are not out to prove what we are or to justify ourselves. We aim to maintain an open mind and perform scientific inquiry into the nature of our condition. Confirmation biases undermine this goal completely.

Nor do we have to keep a ‘diseased identity’. This shows utter callous disregard for people’s mental health issues and general health problems. Nutrition and medicine is part of our approach to sanguivory. We have people with knowledge of supplements, nutrition, and biology. If people voice a complaint, we share what advice we can. That’s not a race to see who is the most diseased; it is simply trying to HELP.

I will address an issue with the two authors of this document with regards to ‘complaining about any effort to get blood’. The authors are ableist, judgemental, and condescending people. They have said before that those who are unable to get donors deserve to starve. Not everyone is able to get donors that easily. Some have anxiety disorders. Some are physically disabled. They like to play ‘more wampyr than thou’ by comparing how sick they get without blood, how much blood they drink, and how many donors they have – like some internal circle jerk confirming how l33t sangs they are. If you can’t get donors, fuck you, you don’t deserve it (essentially).

Yes, there is a need to compare the need for blood in terms of need, symptoms among other things. For basic scientific inquiry, this is necessary. You need to have people who are alike to have any frame of reference. This has always been the case. However, it’s not to decide who is genuine enough to be allowed in or who is credible. It’s not our place to decide that, or to talk down to people whose need may differ from our own. There is a lot of space on the internet for all types of people.

I have no intention of ‘kissing VCN ass’. Saying that, I do not think there is a problem with having allies. I do not think that proximity to the VC is harmful. The VC can provide referrals, leads, among other things. Some cross-over is necessary so people actually find us. Locking ourselves up on an island means we are in a position to help precisely no-one. Removing ourselves from these spaces meant that we hardly helped anyone for a period of almost two years. More people have found us and reached out for help than ever before. Medical research is a long-term goal, but support is something we can offer right now.

The author then goes to say that my nature has been taken advantage of and repurposed. I am not some tool to be repurposed for political agenda. I care deeply about what I do and the people I serve. I try my best to do what I think is the right thing and for the greater good in every decision I make. I do not do it for appreciation; I do it because of what I went through growing up alone as a sanguivore. It was deeply traumatic for me and almost cost me my life when I was 15 years old. I am driven with great passion to do my best to provide for sanguivores and advocate for us publicly. I do have purpose and I do feel a sense of urgency and need on my shoulders. That is simply because I care. I honestly have no desire or interest for anyone to kiss my ass. To the contrary, it makes me extremely uncomfortable. I seek to serve a cause I care about, not to have people brown nosing me. With regards to the, ahem, ‘EMWs’ in TRC, I am simply happy they feel comfortable to share their experiences and can seek us out for blood support. We do not need to be an echo chamber and it makes me truly happy when people find what they need in us. Non med-sangs are not ‘junk food’ or a cancer that needs to be purged from the ‘TRC body’. I’m also not a ‘head of the body’ – we are not an autocracy. We are a horizontal organization with a collective of leaders. The Discord server has 5 admins, all of whom vote on our direction, rules, and all key decisions about the server.

Conclusion

To wrap this up, I want to say I regret that this vitriol came from within the TRC server. We do not support bigotry, hatred, or abuse. It is not our place to criticize your personal gnosis or how you choose to identify. Our focus is on those who blood feed regardless of how they identify or practice. We will continue to inquire about the nature of our condition, to provide a safe haven for those who perceive their condition from a physiological lens, and be good neighbours and allies to those who have different life experiences from us.

Guest Post: Controversy Regarding The Leaked File from Some TRC Members

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Greetings once again, Gentle Readers. In the continuing saga of “the little coup d’etat that tried”, GrumpyVamp is pleased to present another eloquent rebuttal to the document posted in our previous article, The “Med” Sang Menace. This time, you’ll hear from Elizabeth Hopka, web administrator of The Black Books. For those not in the know, The Black Books is a library site that hosts educational documents by and for the GVC. Go check it out.

While Ms. Hopka touches on some of the same points of contention as our previous guest post from Blacklight, she also brings up other salient issues which Blacklight did not address. Ms. Hopka even went so far as to contact the co-authors of the document so that you could hear from them. GrumpyVamp commends her for her initiative. Once again, this is a fairly lengthy guest post, but again, it’s well worth reading. Grumpy hopes our audience will take time to do so.

GrumpyVamp is also pleased to inform our readers that our staff is in contact with the administration team of The Red Cellar and we intend to bring you their statements in the near future. Watch this space for further developments.

Want to write a guest post for GrumpyVamp? See our Contributor Guidelines for more information. And now, GrumpyVamp yields the floor to Elizabeth Hopka.


Controversy Regarding The Leaked File from Some TRC Members

Elizabeth Hopka

22rd October, 2018

This article will focus on disassembling and analyzing “The Document” in order to break it down into more concise points.

Disclaimer

The views expressed here are not particularly shared by any other members of The Black Books and are not reflective of The Black Books’ stance. I (Elizabeth Hopka) am speaking on behalf of only myself.

I’m usually one to respect the privacy of material which was leaked without permission but I feel this is an exceptional circumstance, considering the vile content of it and that the document’s apparent authors do take part in leadership roles around the VC in some places.

So, What’s Going On?

On October 19th, 2018, Sylvere Ap Leanan posted an article on grumpyvamp.wordpress.com, where they talk of a copy of a document they received “that has been circulating for a few weeks in the back-channels of the GVC”. The document appears to be a draft, promoting controversial views on psis and otherkin, criticizing the leadership of The Red Cellar (“TRC”) and much more.

According to the document, the authors are Spooky (AKA SpookyCasper) & Jamie (AKA Jamie Linton), 2 Med-Sangs who (used to) frequent The Red Cellar. The editor’s name was redacted and is usually named ‘Blank’ or ‘Name Blank’.

So, why break it down? Well, most of the document is unrelated information, usually about sociology or psychology that isn’t directly relevant but is used to pretext or soften an upcoming statement. Most of it isn’t needed and is 90% pretext and indirect jabs.

With that out the way, let’s dive straight into it.

Analysis/Breaking it Down

A Change in Terminology

“Psi’s will be referred to as Energy Manipulating Witches, or EMW’s.”

There’s no reason to invent a new term for something that already exists, unless you’re trying to imply that something is wrong with the current term. Moving away from Psi [Vampire] implies that these individuals don’t actually need to feed off other’s energy.

“Otherkin will also be used as Species Dysphoria.”

Species Dysphoria is a psychological term that describes the feeling that one’s body is not of the right species. It’s questionable as to why they’re using these different terms.

We’re all “Story-Telling”

“Not all content will be received well and the creators of this document do not wish to have the Therians, Otherkin, Mystics and Energy Manipulating Witches having alarming issues with their storytelling identities.”

“We all know and are aware, that the ‘Energy Manipulating Witches,’ or ‘EMW’s’ enjoy their story-telling identities and are in love with the word ‘Vampire.’ “

“The junk Food in this case are the EMW’s or any other irrational outcast.”

You’re going to hear “story-telling” a lot in the document. They’re basically implying that Therian, Otherkin and Psi identities are created when one gets caught up in telling themselves fictional stories until they believe it to be true, and are not valid.

It’s all in our head and these authors, our saviors, are going to save us from our irrationality! At least, that’s the tone set during the document.

“Redirections is a tool used in psychology as an intervention to story-editing. It aims to assist in reshaping of a person’s narratives that they tell themselves.”

“The majority of the reasons the stories exist are to create some kind of comfort…”

“A rational that is accustomed to storytelling, belief in imagination and fiction holds their hearts in the songs of childhood. If unchecked or challenged they can fall into creating identities that are self-deprecating and centered around esoterism.“

“If the fictional identity is allowed to develop, like a cancer becomes malignant, and spreads, so does this harmful identity, moving from storytelling, to a socially impactful mode of story-promoting.”

“Redirection is diverging the mind away from the irrational self polluted story-telling…”

Sanguinarian is also an identity – with no scientific support – That the general population would have a hard time taking seriously. Your own identity should be measured by the same measure that you apply to these identities.

They advise against people who have story-telling identities from helping someone else overcome their own story-telling identity (“Blind leading the blind”) which is exactly what they’re doing by their own logic.

They’re using this logic to invalidate others’ identities while not their own. They imply that these identities can and should be cured which suggests an intolerance towards those with these identities or spiritual beliefs.

You’re Actually Selfish

These authors just want to quickly point out that some of you, who are dedicating yourself to your communities and support of others, are actually being selfish! They do this by – yet again – referencing psychology, this time Altruism.

“with the story of the ‘Drowning Piglets’. One would perceive the individual that saves the piglets from drowning as being an true Altruist, but in fact there are several Egoist drives that a person does not actively think about, but act them to prevent negative feels or repercussion in the future.

By saving the piglet you could be saving yourself from feeling guilt for letting them drown. You could be doing it to bring up your social standing and praise for saving them. You could also be saving them, because by next year they will food to eat…

All of these action from the perceived ‘good’ action are all selfish at the core.”

What they’re saying may be arguably and psychologically correct, sure, but it’s irrelevant to the points being made and seems to be an attempt to invalidate some leaders’ hard work.

What they’re doing here is pre-texting criticism towards the TRC leaders that comes up later on in the document.

The TRC is Drugged out of its Mind!

Now, for the record, I don’t frequent TRC so what I can question about these statements is limited but there are still issues here.

“It appears the use of prescription drugs is widespread within the TRC. While there are conditions where medication is used to manage the symptoms legitimately, the sheer quantity of drugs, used amongst members is alarming.

“Conversations within the TRC have oft resembled kids comparing their baseball card collections, instead only comparing drugs and symptoms.”

“…it is a social environment where prescription drug use and poor health is standard.”

It sounds like many people in TRC are being prescribed medications, getting the medical help they need, raising awareness and sharing experiences about their medications and illnesses within the community. Isn’t that a healthy thing? I think more people need to talk about mental illnesses to help raise awareness and kill off stigma. A stigma which they apparently enjoy feeding.

By assuming when they say “the symptoms” they’re referring to symptoms of blood deprivation, it starts to look like they may be criticizing people for relying on prescription drugs instead of drinking blood to relieve their symptoms. If this is true, they’re suggesting that people take their advice over a medical professional’s, which is the very thing they’re criticizing in others.

“The sheer ubiquitous presence of drug use within the space, suggests there might be symptoms and issues and side effects that are aggravating or contributing to the illusionary inclination of a blood need. While not always the case, it cannot be ruled out.”

What right do you have to suggest that people’s drug use may be contributing to their symptoms of blood need? Let alone blatantly calling it “illusionary”? In a way, you’re providing medical advice which I doubt you have experience, training or citations for. Perhaps these two believe that a well fed sang does not suffer from disease nor require any medication? It’s hard to tell with it being so ambiguous.

Basically, they’re calling out TRC members in general, stating:

1) There’s a correlation between drug treatment for mental health and being sanguinarian.

2) The need for blood these people perceive in themselves is “illusionary”.

At this point, it’s beginning to feel like they’re painting a negative light on medical treatments. Mental illnesses are common and prevalent in all groups and cultures, and they come in all shapes and sizes, mild to severe. Just because you are receiving treatment for a mental illness doesn’t mean your ability to perceive reality and your own condition is skewed.

Frankly, questioning someone’s claimed condition or need – especially without reputable facts – is a line I wouldn’t cross, or even touch with a ten-foot pole. Especially with such baseless logic. Yeesh.

The Leaders of TRC are Doing ‘it’ All Wrong!

I’m not sure how a leader of their own community, the one in charge for its vision and direction, can be doing it all wrong unless its members’ safeties are jeopardized.

That being said, while most of the criticisms which the authors send their way are subjective and shaky, I found one point which could possibly fit this criteria.

“TRC is attempting to play doctor for political standing ground within the OVC as well as being overwhelmed by the need to feel useful and inclusive.“

Oof. Their one claim which only possibly has validity to it, is the criticism that TRC members are giving out medical advice to people without being adequately trained or knowing their situation well enough. No proofs or examples were provided, so I don’t know how accurate this is, though. The only examples I found within the document were the sharing of experiences and treatments they were pursuing, which, once again, is a good thing.

“Conversations about suicide, substance abuse, mental health and debilitating physical conditions should be done in a clinical office with a doctor or therapist.”

What concerns me, however, is that apparently, these issues, personal stories and experiences shouldn’t be shared at all, which I disagree with. Of course, there is a line between talking about depression and telling someone to specifically purchase a bottle of Vilbryd because it worked for them, but I received no examples that the latter case was occurring.

One of their reasonings for such criticism is that community managers have the potential to be found liable if someone is hurt or killed as a result of information exchanged within their community. A decent PSA, for what it’s worth.

“Our leadership has undergone some change since the flood doors opening, however without an agenda of how to move forward; welcoming individuals of all flavours, while still being able to support sangs, as the original intent, has been lost. The leaders have been repurposed and their nature taken advantage of.”

Just because you haven’t been clued in, doesn’t mean that they don’t have an agenda or direction, and just because you don’t agree with their decisions doesn’t mean they’re being “taken advantage of”.

Personally Criticizing the Leaders

Ok, so, remember the pretext from earlier about people actually being selfish? This part is what that was for.

They go on to criticize individual TRC leaders personally, but without specifying actual names. I normally wouldn’t have a problem with someone criticizing a leader but at least make sense.

“Leader No.1 direly needs to feel appreciated, busy with purpose and revels when importance weighs down on each shoulder.”

So, they’re a normal, community-focused person? Of course the pretext paints it in a different light, but you’ll know all about that if you view the document. After all, why use logic for your arguments when you can just slather everything with negative pretext?

They go on to “criticize” them further, make another jab at psis (you know the drill) and then provide yet another creative analogy for why they can’t just jump ship and create their own group.

They also “criticize” another unnamed leader.

They’re Ruining our Environment! They’re crazy!

Now for one of the more subjective criticisms.

The criticism which takes up the most space is one about TRC opening its borders. Basically, they’re upset that their room is now plagued with “irrational cast-outs” and believe that they’re self-deprecating by “opening the borders”.

They’re pro-separation, believing that Med-Sangs and the rest of the VC should remain separated, and – for what it’s worth – I can actually see the reasoning behind that.

“However, if an outsider glanced in they would just see a sea of pill popping people addicted to not only medication, but the need to be the most diseased, sickened or mentally unstable.”

There’s many subtle, indirect texts in here that seem to suggest that it is because of the influx of psis and others that the TRC is now riddled with those who “pop pills” and are “mentally unstable”.

I believe that the authors’ views on psis, therian and otherkin is that they’re mentally ill individuals.

Otherkin! You can be Cured!

I’m going to summarize the authors’ thoughts before providing any quotes here:

  • If you’re otherkin, it’s not a valid identity or belief, whether spiritual or otherwise.
  • It’s all in your head! You can and should be cured using a psychological treatment known as redirection.
  • The only reason you feel this way is because you’ve been tricking and lying to yourself this entire time.

“Before I get deep into this section. Redirection is a beautiful, but scary thing that unequivocally cures Species Dysphoria colloquially known as Otherkin.”

I conducted some research into this treatment, and the texts I’ve found are pointed towards children (and not adults, for what that’s worth) who experience what’s known as Species Dysphoria. They use what’s known as redirection.

When I messaged Spooky, asking for citation on this I was provided with the name for a book but nothing in more detail. Unfortunately it costs money to view the contents, so I couldn’t try to find exactly what she was citing. The book’s name is “Redirect: The Surprising New Science of Psychological Change, by Timothy D. Wilson. August 2011”.

That being said, and in all fairness, such avenues do warrant further investigation. After all, the more perspectives from which to approach your identity, the better.

Redirection

“Redirections is a tool used in psychology as an intervention to story-editing. It aims to assist in reshaping of a person’s narratives that they tell themselves.”

In layman’s words (at least to my interpretation), it means getting your mind off of it. Remember that – according to the authors – this applies to Therian, Otherkin and Psi identities. Who knew the cure to needing to psi feed was just getting your mind off of it. Get a hobby, guys! You could pick up painting if your hands aren’t trembling too much from lack of feeding.

The Blind Cannot Lead the Blind

Around this part of the document, the authors are providing guidelines on how to aid someone with these story-telling identities.

“Do lead the individual away from the conversation into a controversial one. Use clear and indisputable facts if you are going to propose a counter.

If you take on the front of rationality through facts, be prepared for them to get extremely sensitive and/or defensive. Keep in mind this is the world they live in within their mind…”

They then state that you shouldn’t try to help these people if you have a story-telling identity yourself.

‘…similar to a drowning person reaching out a hand to another a few feet deeper. Either both drown, or one crawls out, but nothing constructive comes out of the situation. Another useful expression, is the “blind, leading the blind”.’

So they’re giving advice on helping people with this while advising that those still with story-telling identities shouldn’t. Sure, that’s not hypocritical…unless the authors themselves have story-telling identities too, right?

Well, the condition they claim to have (being Sanguinarian) is one which still hasn’t been scientifically supported and one that seems ridiculous to your everyday folk. But it’s real to you, right? By your same logic, can I suggest that you, too, have a story-telling identity? I think you need a hobby.

To be clear, I’m criticizing their hypocritical logic and not questioning sanguinarian or med-sang identities. Scientifically pursuing the reason for all of this is extremely important and I commend those who put it in the time and effort so that all of us can one day profit.

Fuck you, Brethren!

Let’s continue analyzing the words of the Goddesses of the Burnt Bridges.

‘It is fine clean, clear and simple if you do not take blood regularly you clearly do not have a dire “need” for it. At this point you need to be honest with yourself, and say that you only “want” the experience of drinking blood.’

Because fuck those who – for the time being – have no access to donors or maybe live in a country where it’s harder to find donors or where the act of looking for donors may put them at risk of injury or death. Apparently, you’re not a real sanguinarian!

By the way, this is coming from two people who have a pile of donors at their disposal and whom live in countries where they could be open about this and – at most – receive ridicule or shunning.

“Think of the Med-Sangs and the EMW’s as children fighting over the claim to the same toy.”

I’m curious as to whether they expected this to be received well by any group or peoples.

A Hilarious Analogy

“However if we were to imagine a whale as the representation of gall, tenacity and standing point of what is the Med-Sangs.

The weight of this whale weighing down on the OVC has created a large impression, however when this whale is asked to swim in a cup of water it quickly starts cracking the walls of the cup.

To keep itself with the constructive confines it has resorted to cutting pounds of flesh from the internal infrastructure.”

I love this analogy so much that I had to include it somewhere, it’s hilarious. Could they really not think of another analogy for this?! I love it.

Reaching Out

I reached out to them and asked a few questions. I’m going to paraphrase and address some of their first responses when I first criticized them.

“I never meant to offend anyone”

I’ll respond with your own quotes:

  • “Not to sugar coat this next paragraph will feel a bit condescending or harsh, but considering the nature of the document it tends to be be worded in a way that is extremely forward and forthcoming.”
  • “There is not enough certified therapists on staff in the GVC to assist in the crisis this document could potentially create.”
  • “This document will challenge you.”
  • “Everyone needs to sit down. I am the torch lighter.”

“It was never meant to be released.”

More quotes from you:

  • “This document is to be allowed to be spread to the GVC, please remove any content that is in italics (that is not a famous quote) .”
  • “Considering this document is for the eyes of the leaders of TRC and Lampreys, should we exhaust effort in VCN cesspool?”

“It’s a draft! We were going to revise it into something less offensive”

I interpret that as meaning that they were going to try to do a better job of covering up their covert hatred for identities and views they disagree with.

It’s not a valid excuse for writing something that appears to originate from hateful, close-minded individuals and – judging by their response – completely misses the point.

Official Responses to Interview Questions

In the interest of giving these authors an opportunity to explain themselves, I asked if they’d like to provide a general message to the communities.

Their Response

I’d like to apologize.

I regret its creation, I regret the carelessness if the words, the carelessness of who it could hurt, the trust that would be broken. I never intended to hurt anyone, never intended to coup, never intended for any of this.

The pain of lost friendships, communities, the loneliness of estrangement. I have love for so many, my friends at the RedCellar, my friends in DarkenedMirror, and throughout the VC. I repaid their friendship with a mistake, an effort that never should have been undertaken, words I cannot take back.

I care about our community, but I’ve hurt it, I love you all but I’ve hurt you. I know my words may not assuage any of the harm I’ve done, if I could take it back I would have, but I cannot. I am not a hateful person, and I have resolved to earn your trust.

Sincerely,
– Jamie & Spooky

Final Thoughts

To be Fair

In the interest of fairness, there’s no guarantee that some things weren’t added, removed or altered by others on its way to that page. I made my criticisms here assuming that these were in-fact the authors for the document, that it was unaltered and that they’re both equally responsible for it.

The Document

There’s more I could include in this document but the rest is just verbal diarrhea, a slop of incoherence.

This document is vile, hypocritical and saturated with hateful, baseless, irrational words which targets basically everyone and everything. The feeling I get from reading the document is that the authors revel in provoking emotional responses from people, and that causing an uproar was intentional.

Identities (and the people who associate with them) need to be respected. Just 50 years ago, concepts such as homosexuality and transgender identities were not understood but ridiculed, and there were no scientific studies validating them, but a lot has changed since then. I see a similar mindset of intolerance from these individuals.

These people hold disgusting, troubling and intolerant views that are not befitting of this community. Not in the slightest.

I don’t know what their problem is but I hope that over the next few years they identify it and fix it because out of everyone they addressed here, it’s them that needs help.

Personal Stuff

Many may know me as hybrid (sang & psi) but very few are aware that I’m also Otherkin. Up until now, I’ve kept it mostly to myself but I think if there’s a time to “come out”, it’s now.

That’s not the only reason this document affects me personally but also because I regarded these two as close friends within the communities. Their names were the last things I expected to see tied to this document. It hurts to think that they viewed me this way the whole time. I still find it hard to believe.

I normally wouldn’t involve myself in stuff like this but it felt too relevant and too grotesque not to comment on it.

There’s a lot more to the document and even a couple valid points. I’ve only talked about the most vile stuff but I encourage you to read the document yourselves.

So in closing, remember guys, get yourselves fixed, start (and stop) popping pills, segregate, don’t talk about mental health issues and – most importantly – get a hobby.

Much Love,

Elizabeth Hopka

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Original Article
Blacklight’s Take on The Document – who did a much better job putting this into words and even provided citations of their own to support their response

The “Med” Sang Menace

ChurchLadySpecial
Dana Carvey as “The Church Lady” on SNL

I recently received a copy of a document that has been circulating for a few weeks in the back-channels of the GVC. Normally, I would ignore something as puerile as this manifesto, for lack of a better term. However, there’s a community-wide chat in Lady CG’s Darkened Mirror server on Discord (https://discord.gg/HgPGprE) happening tomorrow, October 20, 2018 at  8pm – 10pm EST 6pm to 9pm mountain (-7GMT). The topic is: “Community Hijacking”- When someone decides the owner isn’t “Doing it right” and I think this document is a prime example of how not to address concerns over the direction of a group.

I want to say upfront that, yes, posting this document is technically a violation of the Golden Rule of GrumpyVamp because it calls out specific individuals. However, Grumpy has graciously allowed me to post it because Grumpy feels there are extenuating circumstances that warrant a higher level of transparency.

However, this highlights a community trend in which people decide a group is DOING IT RONG so they attempt a hostile takeover, and trends are exactly what we call out here at GrumpyVamp. This is not a new thing. This isn’t even the most well-orchestrated attempt at a coup the GVC has ever seen. But it’s the most recent example, and this one holds up a mirror to the GVC and shows how bigoted and ugly it can be.

So here is the document, as I received it, without edits. Read it. Decide what you think about it. Then head over to Darkened Mirror for a discussion tomorrow night. And watch this space, because I’m fairly sure the writers at GrumpyVamp are going to have some choice words to share.

Everyone needs to sit down. I am the torch lighter and despite my limitations (that I never complain about) I will attempt to place it into words.
English is not my first language and I have a severe learning disability that I fight every time I need to organize thoughts into proper sentences or read.
Please just read over the points that I have more than likely taken over an hour to create. With that said I am not a keyboard warrior and would like to
schedule maybe a discussion time with the lampreys and leaders concerning the direction of TRC.

Digestion Session: A conversation that is constructive and supportive need to be brought up with the member of the lamprey and leaders about their
individual fault, needs and drives.

*** Needs to be completed

** Needs to be Edited
* Final Revision
(Blank) Completed! =^_^=

Addressing the Internal Infrastructure, within ‘The Red Cellar’ for the Support of Sangs
Reflections, Discussion and Future of the MedSang movement

Created by: Spooky & Jamie
Edited by: ‘Name Blanked’
*************************** IF ***************************

This document is to be allowed to be spread to the GVC, please remove any content that is in italics (that is not a famous quote) . Not all content will
be received well and the creators of this document do not wish to have the Therians, Otherkin, Mystics and Energy Manipulating Witches having alarming
issues with their storytelling identities. There is not enough certified therapists on staff in the GVC to assist in the crisis this document could potentially create.

Please note that throughout the use of this document there will be following terms used:

Psi’s will be referred to as Energy Manipulating Witches, or EMW’s.

Otherkin will also be used as Species Dysphoria.

*************************** Consider ***************************

Not to sugar coat this next paragraph will feel a bit condescending or harsh, but considering the nature of the document it tends to be be worded in a
way that is extremely forward and forthcoming.

A lot of the content within this document will incite any number/range of emotions. This is written by friends for friends, with that in mind. Please
if you do happen to have an adverse opinion or feeling towards any of the text to come, take the time to review the sentence or paragraph again. Take a walk,
think on it and come back with a clear mind. There is more than likely a rational reason as to why that particular piece of information upsets you negatively.
You need to be able to understand that it is your feelings and only you can control them. The document is not responsible for your actions, you are the only
one in control of your on body, feelings, life, identity and goals.

This document will challenge you.

Remember things always and will fall apart, but only to fall back together back; and a new.
With that being said let’s dig in:

Objective and Initiative

Within the confines of this document and the upcoming discussion we seek to address the current state of the MedSang Movement, and by extension the TRC, and
its members. The concerns, challenges, strength and areas of weaknesses in need for improvement that as a group can overcome and grow from.
Table of Contents
Agreeableness ~^ 3
Need for Gratification ^* 3
Validation ~^ 3
Need for the Feelings of Usefulness ^* 3
Medication ~^ 4
Advocating for Medication ~^ 4
Use of Soft Language ~The Powerful Weight of a Word~ ~^ 4
When to be a Social Justice Warrior and when not to be ~^ 4
Support within the Discord Environment ~^ 4
Redirection ~^* 4
Supporting while you are still walking the walk ~^ 4
Liability ~^ 4
The Overall Purpose and Direction of TRC ~^* 4
Past vs Present = Future ~^ 4
Outside Perception ~^ 4
Leadership / Diplomacy ~^ 4
Agreeableness – Need for Gratification – Validation and Need for the Feeling of Usefulness

Agreeableness **

Agreeableness is a quality of what is known as the Big Five personality theory, in brief a person who scores highly in agreeableness demonstrates, a warm personality,
is tactful, a friendly demeanor, and express optimistic viewpoints, a team player, and easy to get along with. Contrarily someone low in agreeableness would serve their
own needs and be colder, may be more curt and callous in communication, a pessimistic attitude, and struggles getting along with others. Agreeableness is composed of
6 subtraits: 1

Trust

Morality

Altruism

Cooperation

Modesty

Sympathy

In a group environment, the desire to feel that one is doing a good turn, may exist. By in large, this is not a bad thing, save for the unhealthy situation whereas
the desire to fulfill the need to embody the above traits overtakes the core focus. It feels good to be Trusted, seen as a moral person, a practitioner of altruistic
deeds, one who seeks to help and cooperate with others, yet maintains the modesty to say they don’t do it for any personal gain, and will be quick to lend a shoulder
when someone need the sympathetic friend. Sometimes to do the right thing for the whole, one must set limits, even when those limits might make them appear externally
as though they are defying the traits they hold sacred, such as refusing to help someone who is abusing their kindness or can be better helped elsewhere.

It also need to be noted the Altruism is a philosophy thoroughly analysed by Ayn Rand, that is strongly believed and proven to not to exist in humans. A good example of
this is shown

1Sourced: https://www.123test.com/big-five-personality-theory/

with the story of the ‘Drowning Piglets’. One would perceive the individual that saves the piglets from drowning as being an true Altruist, but in fact there are
several Egoist drives that a person does not actively think about, but act them to prevent negative feels or repercussion in the future. By saving the piglet you could
be saving yourself from feeling guilt for letting them drown. You could be doing it to bring up your social standing and praise for saving them. You could also be saving
them, because by next year they will food to eat. All of these action from the perceived ‘good’ action are all selfish at the core. This being said when we move through
this document please consider how what you perceive as helpful or a selfless act and internalize why and what you are gaining from your actions.
Need for Gratification ***

There is a list of positive and negative reasons why people seek out gratification. Here are a few to consider and we will break them down for an indepth look at a few
of them, Anticipation, Desire to Avoid Delay, Uncertainty, Age, Imagination, Cognitive Capacity, Poverty/Wealth, Impulsiveness, Emotion Regulation/Irregulation.
Understanding the type of gratification you are seeking is extremely important in social situations and imperative that leaders know how this element is impacting their choices.

Anticipation: Almost everyone loves the gratification with foreseeable good outcomes in the future and avidly attempts to avoid negative events.

Desire to Avoid Delay:

Uncertainty:

Age:

Imagination:

Cognitive Capacity:

Poverty or Wealth:

Impulsiveness:

Emotion Regulation & Irregulation:

Validation **

As no one is truly a mind reader, or able to see into another spiritually and see their feelings, because of this humans have developed a sophisticated means by
which to interpret and connect with another person’s feelings in other ways. Validation is one such skill. “Validation is the recognition and acceptance of another
person’s thoughts,feelings, sensations, and behaviors as understandable. Self-validation is the recognition and acceptance of your own thoughts, feelings, sensations
and behaviors as understandable.” 1

As emotions are complex Marsha Linehan, Ph.D. defined 6 distinct levels of validation

Being Present- When you share an experience with someone, for example, by holding their hand through a situation, or simply being there for them, this contact, or
close connection shows you gave someone your attention.

Accurate Reflection – This is the expression of a feeling that can be from the person feeling it, or from someone empathizing with another. For example “I was really
disappointed I didn’t get the job”, or from another “You must be feeling really down, you worked hard to get that job”. The purpose of this is to differentiate thoughts
and emotions from one another.

Mindreading – Despite its name, this is not actual mind reading, rather it is when a person interprets the body language, context, words, and other hints to make a
determination of how someone else feels. It is a bit different than accurate reflection, because the other person was not there to experience the emotionally impactful
event with the other, and/or the person feeling the emotion is masking their feelings, hiding how they feel. This is more of a guess as empathy, making an assessment of
the person and remarking on how they may feel.

Historical/Biological Understanding of Behaviour – In some cases if the history of someone is known, there is a fair chance past experiences may lend clues to how a
person may behave. An example of this may be “When the boat started rocking you must have been terrified” when said to a person who you knew nearly drowned years ago.
Using knowledge of their past suggests they might be afraid of a similar danger in the present.

Normalizing Emotions – This is remarking on a common-sense emotive state. For example “You must be nervous, I believe you got this!” before someone takes a big exam.
It is reasonable that someone might be nervous prior to a test without needing to know extraneous information about someone.

Radical Genuineness – When you have a deep, personal, and highly detailed understanding exactly how someone feels. This is an infrequent situation because it requires
a near identical experience and context. A situation where his might occur might be in the event you experienced a close loved one die from cancer, and your friend is now
going through it too, you might note the similarities, and know they might be feeling the same set of emotive states you experienced. In this case it is possible you could
validate their emotions from a first hand point of view.

Validation is a connection, a way to empathise with another. Knowing which type and the contexts may help better, and more accurately connect you with someone in need. Of
course we need this too, we need to feel some validation that our feelings have merit, its natural. In support environment that emotional connection, weather to make them
feel better or to help you confirm an emotional state of another, are extremely important.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pieces-mind/201204/understanding-validation-way-communicate-acceptance

One could say that sangs might feel they have a Level 4: Historical / Biological Understanding of Behavior when it comes to how they feel when someone else is suffer or
has gone without blood. Recalling one’s own experiences, and seeing another suffer a very similar situation.

Need for the Feeling of Usefulness ***
Medication – Advocating for Medication

Medication **

It appears the use of prescription drugs is widespread within the TRC. While there are conditions where medication is used to manage the symptoms legitimately, the sheer
quantity of drugs, used amongst members is alarming. Furthermore the majority of members live in the US, where pharmaceutical companies advertise their products on television
just like Coca-Cola, encouraging the general public to request drugs by name. Conversations within the TRC have oft resembled kids comparing their baseball card collections,
instead only comparing drugs and symptoms. The sheer ubiquitous presence of drug use within the space, suggests there might be symptoms and issues and side effects that are
aggravating or contributing to the illusionary inclination of a blood need. While not always the case, it cannot be ruled out.

Also, blood is not a medication and should not be suggested as such. Comparing it to a nutritional supplement is a healthy way of approaching the topic.
Advocating for Medication **

It is a dangerous endeavor to promote a medication. It is fine to say that your medication helps you for this or that reason, but at no point should you be suggesting or
advocating medication to another member. You do not know their medical or mental history, you are not a doctor or pharmacist. What works for one does not work for all.
Also as much as you believe you know a person online, or in person. You are not aware of what they are experience inside themselves, and what limits they will go through to
relieve themself of said symptoms. The people you consider friends could all of a sudden stop appearing online and you will have no way of knowing that your suggestion as lead
them to be hospitalized.

If you do not believe in the power of suggestive behavior, we will use an true example that happened within TRC. It only took one person talking and sharing a photo of their
Huel cup. Before long several members had purchased and were ingesting the Huel product.
Use of Soft Language

When to be a Social Justice Warrior and When not to be.
Use of Soft Language **

Problems with soft language is that it fakes the truth. It is an attempt to soften something that people refuse to accept as absolute truths and coat it to say the same thing
with a pleasant sounding diction.

“Political Language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” ~ George Orwell.

Soft language is used in mainly address to facets of social gains. One is for severe political or economical gain, and the other is to ease an individual’s comforts into
accepting a grave truth. A doctor’s bedside talk oft utilizes soft language when explaining to a client about the disturbing mound of cancerous flesh.

What is the problem in TRC concerning soft language?

We have a social phobia around being offensive with our use of words. But less mindful of our actions and their offensive consequence. In an environment that is primary
text based and lacking the physical cues that an average conversation would have, we run in the problem of mixed communication and loss of the desired intent. At first
glance/read a sentence can appear to have unintended malice, which has been proven to jump started extremist social justice worker to reap down on people as if they were
righteous angels dismembering the wicked.

Healthy ways to prevent yourself from falling for this disemboweling behaviour towards others, is to ask questions before your make the first cut. Questions can be as simple
as, “I do not think I understand you?”, or “Could you reword or rephrase?” You may also make statements similar to this: “It read to me that you enjoy carnage? “Do I understand
your intent?”. They may say, “Yes, I love sundering people.” At this point you might be inclined to pull out your social justice angel sword and create a new orifice into random
on their body of text. Careful now, when you do this, you have just become what you hold in contempt, and just as guilty.

This is where we need to start discussing ‘The Powerful Weight of Words’. As well all know a large collection of words in the English language have become taboo or considered
politically incorrect. The only reasons these words have been placed in rubbish bins, stems from peoples lack of understanding the illusion of power, control or lack thereof.
Here is a beautiful example that all lamprey can understand. The word “Woo.” Woo is used by the Med-Sangs to describe those that they find lack the internal tenacity to obtain
rational thought, which in a way is calling them blissfully ignorant people that enjoy chasing stardust and licking rainbows. Similarly the word ‘Canuck’ has been used as far
back as 1835 by Americans to describe Canadians in a degrotory fashion. It is assumed that this term came about, because of the involvement of the Canadians in the War of 1812,
when the ‘Canuck’s’ burned down the White House. It’s intent was to make Canadians seem backwoodsy or uncivilized. The word “Canuck,” in the modern world no longer has the same
understanding. Canadians are proud to declare themselves “Canucks.” Words like Canuck and Woo are designed to designate inferiority. But owning the words people can reclaim the
power that was intended initially be taken from them. Take the NHL Hockey Team the Vancouver Canucks, what was once a word of insult, today a proud brand. This is a real world
example of turning a word around. Politics would prefer you to use words in a way that makes people passive and complicit, but letting the words breathe so to speak, allows the
opportunity for reclamation, empowering us to own our language, rather than be enslaved by it.

What can be done to help advise/advocate, before railing people that believe in a clean and clear version of words?
Social Justice Warrior ***

Every cause is personal; wherein we charge to war. “Every sperm is sacred!” Every life needs to live. Every voice needs to be heard. Everyone needs to be supported. Everyone
needs a blanket. Everyone becomes weak. Everyone – thing has the right to life. Everything will die. We do not have the right to interfere with death. We cannot stop death. We can
help support survival till death. Stop you can not stop death.
Support within the Discord Environment- Redirection – Supporting Another, While you are still Walking the Walk – Liability
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Support within the Discord Environment ***

As human beings with have the capacity and innate desire to empathize with others for a wide variety of reasons. There are two main types of empathy: Cognitive Empathy and
Emotional Empathy. The reason this is important to understand is that not everyone is able to use both types of empathy and one can appear as a more cold approach; but both are
able to empathize. As for reasons the list is endless, but for the majority of any given situation humans are social creatures and desire on the deepest level for sameness. It is
a glue that binds everyone together, because even if we have not experienced something we can imagine what another has undergone.

Key things:

Know what you are supporting in detail. As well as understand those that are in need of redirection from the story-telling they have created for comfort or out of need for an identity.

What is the perceived Purpose of the TRC support as a whole?

To offer the compassionate advice, and support otherwise lacking in the VCN or GVC. By offering rational medically based advice, opposed to recommending energy, magic or
alternative treatment strategies

Where is it failing?

Increasing instances of individuals who require support outside the available scope of the TRC has resulted in numerous failures to contain a support situation. The lack of
proper support training has resulted in circular non-productive encounters where the problem the individual seeking support suffers was aggravated by improper redirection and
coping strategies. This resulted in persistent negative reactions, or the creation of a toxic environment, in many cases the individual being removed only after the damage was done.

In addition, a handful of nameless members ignore criticism and advice, while being ignorant to the damage they are advocating. Wherein generating an environment that that
halts any degree of social growth.

It is failing to provide proper support, because of:

– The problems or areas of needed support are escalating past what members can provide.
– None of the members are equipped with the skills necessary to assist or provide responsible and value direction to those in dire crisis.
– The support in TRC is being allowed to churn in on itself like a bermuda triangle

What is wrong in TRC?
Redirection ***

Before I get deep into this section. Redirection is a beautiful, but scary thing that unequivocally cures Species Dysphoria colloquially known as Otherkin. Considering the first
line a lot of a lot of the members within our small community will not enjoy what this section talks about and it more than likely the most challenging for people on an individual level.

“Our experience of the world is shaped by our interpretations of it, the stories we tell ourselves, and these stories can often become so distorted and destructive that they
completely hinder our ability to live balanced, purposeful, happy lives, so the key to personal transformation is story transformation.” ~Maria Popova

What is the purpose of redirection?
Redirections is a tool used in psychology as an intervention to story-editing. It aims to assist in reshaping of a person’s narratives that they tell themselves. Personal narratives
are created for a number of deeply rooted reasons. The majority of the reasons the stories exist are to create some kind of comfort, a search for security in oneself (not to be mistaken
for self-esteem), to appoint a unique value towards an event or to apply when dealing with a traumatic event. When it come to the GVC we need to understand a bit of the psychology
leading up to how these identities are created and perpetuated. As children we cling together, not in the effort to seek sameness, but rather a more animalistic survival inclination.
Someone with spotted skin or any physical identifiers, are shunned instinctively not out of cruelty, but out of an impulsive response for safety from physical ailment. Moving into
teenage years the sameness has moved to a more social approach based on interests, but it is at this age that individuals begin heavily applying autonomy to their identity. It makes
them unique, and separate from the masses, however in this quest to create identity or an internal view of oneself is not an easy quest, the only references are stories, movies,
religion and the people around us. A youth has limited points of reference by which to formulate their view of the world and themself, its this vulnerability this limitation that
lends itself to strong acceptance of suggestions provided by their subconscious rational. A rational that is accustomed to storytelling, belief in imagination and fiction holds their
hearts in the songs of childhood. If unchecked or challenged they can fall into creating identities that are self-deprecating and centered around esoterism. If the fictional identity
is allowed to develop, like a cancer becomes malignant, and spreads, so does this harmful identity, moving from storytelling, to a socially impactful mode of story-promoting. They
will being to promote part of their self-perceived identity through applying or finding ideniting element that they see as tangible in the physical body and surroundings. An example
of story-promoting is when someone claims they flashed across a room in lighting speed. They are clearly Superman, a vampire or marvel’s The Flash, but in reality they only experienced
a dose of adrenalin. If in the wrong environment the rational addition of informing them of the effect of adrenalin, they will perpetuate the story turning into a sea of irrational
beliefs, lead-on by naive minds. Redirection is diverging the mind away from the irrational self polluted story-telling, however it needs to be done tactfully. In the same way that
general ‘support’ has its dangers, redirection does as well. When using it never do the following:

Do lead the individual away from the conversation into a controversial one.

Use clear and indisputable facts if you are going to propose a counter.

If you take on the front of rationality through facts, be prepared for them to get extremely sensitive and/or defensive. Keep in mind this is the world they live in within
their mind and only step into this kind of conversation if you are 100% sure of what you are about to say, because if you mess up they will internalize it as a win for their reality.

Happy
How does it work?
What is it used for and how does it help people?
Supporting Another, While you are still Walking the Walk **

Another way to view this frequent situation; because human desire to seek sameness and innate willingness to empathize is similar to a drowning person reaching out a hand to another
a few feet deeper. Either both drown, or one crawls out, but nothing constructive comes out of the situation. Another useful expression, is the “blind, leading the blind”. Until you
as an individual have completely overcome an element that has crippled your core, and no longer plagues your active life, where no negative impacts, implications or sways to your day
are an issue. Only then can you unequivocally provide what worked for you. Please note, that I did not say you can provide support. You can only let someone know your troubled tail.
Take caution, you can not let them know tools or methods you used, because in most countries that is considered coercive therapy.
Liability **

TRC is attempting to play doctor for political standing ground within the OVC as well as being overwhelmed by the need to feel useful and inclusive. TRC is playing recklessly with
individuals mental and physical health without understand the potential impact. TRC is not a government, or medical office that is equipped with the necessary personnel to handle
extremely sensitive issues. Conversations about suicide, substance abuse, mental health and debilitating physical conditions should be done in a clinical office with a doctor or
therapist. 100% of the researched support that any member in TRC can provide are all done using the same search engines that are available to everyone globally. Providing
authoritative directional support to these people, can have grave legal ramifications.

An example of this, could be a member conversing with another that is in a severe situation in their immediate physical surroundings. If the individual undertakes a grave and
terminal decision, in the dead of night, when the legal departments examine the scene, and finds that improper support or direction had been provided to the individual from an
community board. How to you believe these so called ‘kind’ actions are going to be received?

When it comes to “supporting” another risk is always a factor. Not just risk for the individual seeks support, but the individual supplying it, and potentially the server and
members of that server. This is why in depth “support” needs to be redirected to the proper places, establishments, agencies, and resources not accommodated within the confines
of a group that has no on-staff therapists, and is still struggling with its place in the larger community.

One last thing to consider is the confines of the internet and distance between individuals globally. We may be able to communicate instantly across thousands of kilometers, but
every country and even state to state, province to province, the laws behind ametur mental healthcare, have different legilation and regulations.

The Overall Purpose and Direction of TRC

~As a Whole and on an Individual Level~
Purpose **

“For people who perceive a physical need to consume blood and those curious about medical sanguinarians. Our focus is scientific inquiry and research into sanguinarianism; as well
as advocacy for sanguinarians, including but not limited to, awareness, outreach and support.” ~sanguinarians.com

******Request nicely for ‘Name Blanked’ to elaborate further.
Direction **

******Request nicely for ‘Name Blanked’ to elaborate further.

Past vs Present = Future
Past **

Reflecting upon the past year, The MedSang movement, has evolved. In the past MedSang were more reclusive, and private. Facebook, and Media, and of course TRC, Sangunarious,
and a few other resources were the principal outlets of the cause. Known for fiery science and fact based debates with the Psi’s, the MedSangs were more infamous than respected
by the GVC, and at the time that was OK, MedSangs didn’t want to be a part of the VC, didn’t want to impress the VC, they wanted to show them that they lack of rationality by which
the VC’s identity and community are based upon. All the while establishing research and facts to build credibility for Sanguivory through the pragmatic approach.
Present **

The creation of the TRC discord marked the new approach to the public and the establishment of the MedSangs as a quantifiable group. For the first time the doors opened to the
general VC, and members of all identifiers got an opportunity to converse and socialize with the MedSangs as never before. The public policy of aggressive debate was softened to
foster a more cohesive separate but peaceful relationship with the VC, namely the VCN. The influx of Therians, Otherkin, Energy Manipulating Witches and Mystics that claimed the
GVC as home and were cast out from their groups have found a home in TRC that is currently attempting to soften it’s borders, but has allowed the borders to become a tender as
wet bread. New cases of people requesting support, the effort to provide that support has been, and continues to be daunting to those that were/are seeking the support from fellow
sangs. The range of issues spanned from minor to suicidal, quickly posed a difficult situation where limited qualification and improper environment resulted in inefficient and
sometimes hazardous “support” that in some cases aggravated the condition the person suffers from. In addition to ill-executed support efforts, the focus of supporting Sangs
became more dilute as EMW and the above mentioned identities were occupying the conversations, while they could be getting their support elsewhere in the appropriate areas.
This complicated problem has led to internal tension, hypersensitivity, and quarrels from even innocuous remarks viewed as critical.
Future **

This area is to be filled in with after the voice chat in TRC. Genuine sangs are extremely rare and the future of this ‘home’, ‘space’ or ‘haven’ needs to reflect their wishes
and aspirations for the future.
Outside Perception
Outside Perception **

The outside perception of the MedSangs and TRC has shown positive growth over the course of the year. Progression from a reclusive group, whose strong assertive viewpoints where
regarded as hostile by many, to a welcoming and all inclusive support group, while internally we have fallen into gross self-deprecating levels. Where the the need to drink blood
is regarded as a burdon, something that should be devoid of enjoyment. Also, it is a social environment where prescription drug use and poor health is standard. What has happened
to lead up to this drastic change? A vocal conference took place on July 13th 2018 to attempt to address the complaints the OVC had towards the MedSangs, by solving the public
relations issues. Since, then the flood doors have opened allowing anyone to enter the home of those who drink blood. Considering a large number of the new members are energy
manipulating witches or those that are unsure; opposed to genuine sangs. The general rooms of TRC have been the scarce recipient of any real substance, in regards to support for
those that take blood, and more about support for those with crippling illnesses. Soft language has had the leaders avidly attempting to silence any harsh diction choice that could
regres the MedSangs PR back towards the hostile attitudes seen in the past. However if we were to imagine a whale as the representation of gall, tenacity and standing point of what
is the Med-Sangs. The weight of this whale weighing down on the OVC has created a large impression, however when this whale is asked to swim in a cup of water it quickly starts
cracking the walls of the cup. To keep itself with the constructive confines it has resorted to cutting pounds of flesh from the internal infrastructure.

TRC wants credibility about what they claim as their title/identity as a med-sangs; the individuals in a vampire community that claim to have an need to consume blood. However,
if an outsider glanced in they would just see a sea of pill popping people addicted to not only medication, but the need to be the most diseased, sickened or mentally unstable.
It takes their credibility into the negatives. A rational person would ask them if it is not the medication that would be inducing their ‘symptoms’ or maybe their need comes from
there drive to keep a diseased identity going. More than half of TRC complain about any effort required in order to obtain blood. Some members come up with elaborate reasons why
they do not take blood, almost to the point that one would say if you have not taken blood in ‘X‘ number of days, weeks, months or even years in some members case, is there really
a need for blood? There are hard questions that need to be asked when thinking about these variables, which can be challenging considering it rattles the fabric of what or if sangs
have any legitimate claim. It is poisonous mess if both ‘addiction to disease’ and ‘the elaborate reasons’ come out of the OVC. There needs to be a clear distinction between those
that, ‘Cut their lip and liked it’ and those that actively take on a regular basis. In saying this that does not mean we are going to be intolerant or elitist around who is more
sangs, but a clear definition needs to be established. It is fine clean, clear and simple if you do not take blood regularly you clearly do not have a dire “need” for it. At this
point you need to be honest with yourself, and say that you only “want” the experience of drinking blood. With saying this, it is known that it will rattle some members identity
that they have self proclaimed off of one experience with a few drops.

Not naming sources, but a recent inquiry was asked to several individuals that are not in the leadership role or in the lamprey room, concerning how TRC is being perceived. The
results were extremely almost wordverbatem the points illustrated above. Here are some quotes from the nameless few:

“The Med-Sangs lack the ability to be as rational as they claim.”

“They are quick to case judgement or point the first finger, but are unable to see the four fingers pointing back at them.”

”Med-sangs are a sickly bunch with rocky leadership. Their leaders seem to just want to kiss VCN ass as of late and are taking in some heavy flakes.”

Desired Perception **

I (Spooky) can only speak for what I have disgusted from my interpretations of readings within the group. With that said it appears that the desired intent of TRC is to provide a
comfortable place of support to sangs on a general level. On a deeper level it seeks to find sangs and provide a safe haven to converse about sensitive topics and safe methods
regarding the globally taboo intake of blood. TRC attempts to achieve this by providing support, answering questions and including uptodate medical documentation on relevant
blood topics.

The Med-Sangs wish to be considering legitemt in their quests to find rational and logical reasoning for the long disputed question of, ‘Why is blood needed?’ Considering this
document is for the eyes of the leaders of TRC and Lampreys, should we exhaust effort in VCN cesspool? We all know and are aware, that the ‘Energy Manipulating Witches,’ or
‘EMW’s’ enjoy their story-telling identities and are in love with the word ‘Vampire.’ If they want to run with the word vampire and carry it as if it belongs/applies to them.
Let them, using the word only has us standing beside them as if we are in the same tall tail boat. I feel using the word Sanguinarians assist in the separation of us from them.
Even though keeping them around provides no added benefit, they do provide a smoke screen of creative insanity that keeps us in the dark. The problem is that this smoke screen
has possible need members getting lost in translations. We need to define our target audience and how we aim to reach them. Both for new sang members and well as any grounded
research endeavors.

Touching on his raw conversation was not able to be achieved on July 13th 2018, because of the space that held the sensitive conversation. The EMW’s have their claws in a lot of
places and do not appear to want to let go. If we bring it down to a rootamery imagery. Think of the Med-Sangs and the EMW’s as children fighting over the claim to the same toy.
Why fight them when we can just walk away and get a new toy?

IF and WHEN, we got our own toy, how and what would we like to see it shape into?
Leadership / Diplomacy
Leadership ***

As a leader people look up to you naturally and take your words with considerable more than most, which can be a lead to a problems if mindfulness of this fact is not upheld.
Our leadership has undergone some change since the flood doors opening, however without an agenda of how to move forward; welcoming individuals of all flavours, while still being
able to support sangs, as the original intent, has been lost. The leaders have been repurposed and their nature taken advantage of.

Leader No.1 direly needs to feel appreciated, busy with purpose and revels when importance weighs down on each shoulder. Considering that most genuine sangs that join TRC already
know a decent amount of proper protocol, they normally do not know need a den parents to coddle them. Since the floodgates have opened No.1 has found importance though the outcasts
of other VC discords. These outcasts have been silenced for reasons within their native EMW (VC) communities and No.1 is relishing in the attention and importance that the outcasts
have bestowed on them, for allowing them to run rampant in a space that was not ready or willing to entertain them. Leaders need to understand when a change is set forth or changed
through an emotional need, it affects those that are occupying the space currently. A good example of this is if you think of all of the members of TRC as organs inside a body.
Should the mind, No.1, decide to eat unhealthily, the organs have to contend with the malnutrition that was consumed without their consent. The junk Food in this case are the EMW’s
or any other irrational outcast. Considering there are precious few places for sangs to communicate. This makes the flesh walls of this imaginary body a prison. The organs (members)
cannot just simply transplant themself into another, more healthy body.

Leader No.2 needs to feel as if they can still have an impact in the world and that they are not useless, but sometimes find themselves in a sea of helplessness. No.2 finds
comfort in engaging in hyper sensitive support topics, when they themselves have not yet freed themselves from the undertow that sucked them out to sea.
Diplomacy ***

Efforts to offer to the public rational articles, media involvement, and improve relations with outside groups of the VC has been ongoing and productive. This year saw an
initiative to mitigate the animosity, and apprehensions the VC held towards the MedSangs from the years of hostile debating. This was achieved by adjusting the public approach,
no longer persistently debating, but rather taking a more neutral role in the public and responding to sang related issues primarily, and refocusing our efforts within the TRC.
this has shown itself to been mostly successful with many axes being buried and constructive public relationships thriving.

It’s Not About You…

IfTheShoeFits

Morgan Freeman image and quote found at Memegenerator.net

It seems the content created by the Grumpy Vamp team is striking a nerve or three in the GVC. Trust Grumpy when I say I am both amused and delighted that our blog is getting so much attention and sparking discussion. This blog may be new, but the team’s collective experience spans decades in the vampire culture. Whether you love Grumpy or love to hate Grumpy, the point of this blog is to provide an outlet for “old timers” in the vampire culture to present our views and experiences so that others can learn from them. We may be salty af, but we know our stuff.

So far, all of the Grumpy Vamp team lives in the United States, so our perspective is going to be somewhat US-centric. Don’t get it twisted – we recognize each area will have its own unique flavor just as there will be individuals who have different experiences than we do. That’s all fine and dandy, but some issues are so common they’re nearly universal.

As our platform grows, we’re bound to run up against narcissistic fucks who think we’re vagueblogging about them. We’re not. We don’t call out specific individuals, we call out trends we see in the culture.

That being said, if you think we’re talking about you, well, you just might be right. Maybe you should sit with that for a minute and contemplate your life choices.